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		<title>By: When Did Resistance Become a Dirty Word? &#171; Qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[When Did Resistance Become a Dirty Word? &#171; Qunfuz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and perpetuated by occupation and repeated massacres is not a normal state like any other. Israel will earn its right to exist when it allows the refugees to return home and when Jews, Muslims and Christians enjoy equal [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and perpetuated by occupation and repeated massacres is not a normal state like any other. Israel will earn its right to exist when it allows the refugees to return home and when Jews, Muslims and Christians enjoy equal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Process of Change &#171; Qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-1143</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] apartheid Israel in the future will not have automatic backing from the West. As pressure for a one-state solution based on rights and equality builds, Israel will also face much stronger, better organised [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] apartheid Israel in the future will not have automatic backing from the West. As pressure for a one-state solution based on rights and equality builds, Israel will also face much stronger, better organised [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Visiting the Great Satan &#171; Qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Visiting the Great Satan &#171; Qunfuz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] author of an important book on the one-state solution for Israel-Palestine, which I responded to here. Ali is as intelligent and humane in person as he is in his [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] author of an important book on the one-state solution for Israel-Palestine, which I responded to here. Ali is as intelligent and humane in person as he is in his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Untermenschen &#171; Qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Untermenschen &#171; Qunfuz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] other solution is the one state solution, the South African solution. The Palestinians are a generous people. They know that two or three [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Maju</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-452</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is obvious that Zionists do not want anything but the second option: mass deportation of all non-Jews from Palestine or even their physical annihilation SS-style. The recent attack on Gaza with all kind of murderous weapons may be an aperitiff of the Final Solution the Zionists may soo implement if we don&#039;t stop them now. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This basically excludes the two-states solution, just something to talk about while the Zionists find the occasion to go further with their genocide. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And it&#039;s obvious that the single state non-apartheid solution is the only viable one under the principles of Humanitarism, Democracy and Egality. And that is the option that all people of good will are for. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The &quot;Algerian solution&quot; is probably not viable right now but may become a realistic option as the USA sinks in the worst economical crisis ever: the one we are living in right now. Without foreign support Israel is just as unviable as was French Algeria or white South Africa (a major accomplice of Israel by the way). True that they could also count with Russian support (nowadays Russia is as Zionist as the USA, even if it has conflicts with Israel here and there) but Russia is also not in its best moment either. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Could the Zionists be supported by China, the rising superpower? It would not surprise me, as Chinese foreign policy appears outmost opportunistic but China is not brainwashed by Judeo-Christianism, so the grasroots support in that country for Israel should be minimal. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But in the absence of real foreign support, what may be a reality in few years, Israel is doomed. This may in fact cause an increase in the aggresivity of the genocidal practices by the Zionist regime, as a &quot;forward runaway&quot; but I doubt such &quot;Serbian option&quot; would work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Additionally we should expect major convulsions in neighbouring countries, especially Egypt but also surely Turkey and even Saudia. The resulting situation will probably end in regional war, while the weakened western powers try to look to some other side, probably their own impoverished boiling cities. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So Israel would have now two hopeful options: the single multiethnic state and the two states solutions. But they won&#039;t take either one. They will continue and increase the genocide instead. In the end they will be pushed to the sea, naturally. But the dimensions of such process and the huge suffering it will bring to all parties escape my imagination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that Zionists do not want anything but the second option: mass deportation of all non-Jews from Palestine or even their physical annihilation SS-style. The recent attack on Gaza with all kind of murderous weapons may be an aperitiff of the Final Solution the Zionists may soo implement if we don&#8217;t stop them now. </p>
<p>This basically excludes the two-states solution, just something to talk about while the Zionists find the occasion to go further with their genocide. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s obvious that the single state non-apartheid solution is the only viable one under the principles of Humanitarism, Democracy and Egality. And that is the option that all people of good will are for. </p>
<p>The &#8220;Algerian solution&#8221; is probably not viable right now but may become a realistic option as the USA sinks in the worst economical crisis ever: the one we are living in right now. Without foreign support Israel is just as unviable as was French Algeria or white South Africa (a major accomplice of Israel by the way). True that they could also count with Russian support (nowadays Russia is as Zionist as the USA, even if it has conflicts with Israel here and there) but Russia is also not in its best moment either. </p>
<p>Could the Zionists be supported by China, the rising superpower? It would not surprise me, as Chinese foreign policy appears outmost opportunistic but China is not brainwashed by Judeo-Christianism, so the grasroots support in that country for Israel should be minimal. </p>
<p>But in the absence of real foreign support, what may be a reality in few years, Israel is doomed. This may in fact cause an increase in the aggresivity of the genocidal practices by the Zionist regime, as a &#8220;forward runaway&#8221; but I doubt such &#8220;Serbian option&#8221; would work.</p>
<p>Additionally we should expect major convulsions in neighbouring countries, especially Egypt but also surely Turkey and even Saudia. The resulting situation will probably end in regional war, while the weakened western powers try to look to some other side, probably their own impoverished boiling cities. </p>
<p>So Israel would have now two hopeful options: the single multiethnic state and the two states solutions. But they won&#8217;t take either one. They will continue and increase the genocide instead. In the end they will be pushed to the sea, naturally. But the dimensions of such process and the huge suffering it will bring to all parties escape my imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-451</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anonymous - can you give me a reference for that Ghada Karmi lecture? It is most disturbing if she really said that, becuase it shows great intellectual dishonesty.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Very many Israelis already have second passports, and many already live outside the country. But still, after all the effort put into Zionism, and the fact that there is a Hebrew-speaking national community which didn&#039;t exist before, I doubt that Israeli Jews would accept the Algerian solution. The binational state, which I admit is still pure imagination, seems more realistic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for minorities in the Middle East, I don&#039;t think the current nightmares in Iraq and Lebanon need to be taken as representative. Jews in Iraq did pretty well until the parallel rise of Zionism and chauvinistic Arabism. I have a Syrian auntie (married to my Sunni Muslim uncle) who is a Jew. It&#039;s only personal, but her comfortable existence tells me we can get over the sectarian thing which blights us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous &#8211; can you give me a reference for that Ghada Karmi lecture? It is most disturbing if she really said that, becuase it shows great intellectual dishonesty.</p>
<p>Very many Israelis already have second passports, and many already live outside the country. But still, after all the effort put into Zionism, and the fact that there is a Hebrew-speaking national community which didn&#8217;t exist before, I doubt that Israeli Jews would accept the Algerian solution. The binational state, which I admit is still pure imagination, seems more realistic.</p>
<p>As for minorities in the Middle East, I don&#8217;t think the current nightmares in Iraq and Lebanon need to be taken as representative. Jews in Iraq did pretty well until the parallel rise of Zionism and chauvinistic Arabism. I have a Syrian auntie (married to my Sunni Muslim uncle) who is a Jew. It&#8217;s only personal, but her comfortable existence tells me we can get over the sectarian thing which blights us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-450</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously Robin,are you not being a little naive here.When people like Ali abuminah ,Ghada Karmi talk about a One state solution what they really have in mind is the Algerian solution as well.They know however that western liberals would never support this so to get them on board they talk about a Binational state.Karmi has even said this in a talk she gave in Perth last year.The real solution is to give the Israeli population American,Canadian and Australian citizenships. Im sure in time even they the Israelis will see this as the only way forward.In that part of the world minorities do not have a good time of it even groups that have been there since the start of time such as the Christian population in Egypt.Now can you only imagine how a Jewish minority would far.It would be a thousand times worse that this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously Robin,are you not being a little naive here.When people like Ali abuminah ,Ghada Karmi talk about a One state solution what they really have in mind is the Algerian solution as well.They know however that western liberals would never support this so to get them on board they talk about a Binational state.Karmi has even said this in a talk she gave in Perth last year.The real solution is to give the Israeli population American,Canadian and Australian citizenships. Im sure in time even they the Israelis will see this as the only way forward.In that part of the world minorities do not have a good time of it even groups that have been there since the start of time such as the Christian population in Egypt.Now can you only imagine how a Jewish minority would far.It would be a thousand times worse that this.</p>
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		<title>By: qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://qunfuz.com/2009/02/15/four-solutions/#comment-449</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dar - In the long term you may be right about the military balance. Hizbullah has gone a long way to showing what could be achieved. But I still think it is unrealistic to expect all the Jews to leave Palestine. So much effort has gone into the Jewish state idea that it is bound to continue in some shape or form. And personally I have no problem with it IF IT DOES NOT DISADVANTAGE THE PALESTINIANS.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t agree with your sweeping statements about Arab-Jewish relations. What about the Jew Norman Finkelstein who met the Hizbullah leadership and then told Mustaqbal TV &quot;Israel has to be defeated&quot;. What about Ilan Pappe, the anti-Zionist Israeli Jew who has done more than anyone to reveal the racism and ethnic cleansing at the heart of Zionism. What about the Neturei Karta Orthodox who call for the destruction of the Zionist state? These are, in their different ways, proud Jews, and proud anti-Zionists. I would be proud to have any of these people as a neighbour. I would be disgusted to have certain Arab dictators or pro-Zionist &#039;liberals&#039; as my neighbours. The problem is not an ethnic or religious group, but the Zionist ideology, which arose for historical reasons and will one day pass away for historical reasons.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you aware how very bad relations between blacks and whites were in South Africa only 10 years before the end of apartheid? Very very bad indeed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your last paragraph misunderstands me. Before there can be a peaceful solution, the racist nature of Zionism must change. Of course. And it must be changed through a combination of incentive and pressure. Of course. The incentive is the vision I have presented here, of a post-Zionist state in which Jews can be happy and free, but without oppressing the Arabs. The ANC offered white south africans a similar vision. if the choice for white south africans had been &#039;leave or die&#039; they would have fought to the bitter end and SA today would be a wasteland. The choice offered to the whites was &#039;change or die.&#039; I think we should say the same to Israeli Jews. And the pressure is resistance of various forms, and international sanctions and divestment. We need to build the pressure and build the incentive at the same time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course the one state seems very distant. But let&#039;s make a start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dar &#8211; In the long term you may be right about the military balance. Hizbullah has gone a long way to showing what could be achieved. But I still think it is unrealistic to expect all the Jews to leave Palestine. So much effort has gone into the Jewish state idea that it is bound to continue in some shape or form. And personally I have no problem with it IF IT DOES NOT DISADVANTAGE THE PALESTINIANS.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your sweeping statements about Arab-Jewish relations. What about the Jew Norman Finkelstein who met the Hizbullah leadership and then told Mustaqbal TV &#8220;Israel has to be defeated&#8221;. What about Ilan Pappe, the anti-Zionist Israeli Jew who has done more than anyone to reveal the racism and ethnic cleansing at the heart of Zionism. What about the Neturei Karta Orthodox who call for the destruction of the Zionist state? These are, in their different ways, proud Jews, and proud anti-Zionists. I would be proud to have any of these people as a neighbour. I would be disgusted to have certain Arab dictators or pro-Zionist &#8216;liberals&#8217; as my neighbours. The problem is not an ethnic or religious group, but the Zionist ideology, which arose for historical reasons and will one day pass away for historical reasons.</p>
<p>Are you aware how very bad relations between blacks and whites were in South Africa only 10 years before the end of apartheid? Very very bad indeed.</p>
<p>Your last paragraph misunderstands me. Before there can be a peaceful solution, the racist nature of Zionism must change. Of course. And it must be changed through a combination of incentive and pressure. Of course. The incentive is the vision I have presented here, of a post-Zionist state in which Jews can be happy and free, but without oppressing the Arabs. The ANC offered white south africans a similar vision. if the choice for white south africans had been &#8216;leave or die&#8217; they would have fought to the bitter end and SA today would be a wasteland. The choice offered to the whites was &#8216;change or die.&#8217; I think we should say the same to Israeli Jews. And the pressure is resistance of various forms, and international sanctions and divestment. We need to build the pressure and build the incentive at the same time.</p>
<p>Of course the one state seems very distant. But let&#8217;s make a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Dar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[qunfuz,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I disagree with &quot;the second problem&quot; to the first solution. Israel&#039;s military superiority cannot last, nor are nuclear weapons a guarantee of security. There are ways to suppress Israel&#039;s nuclear response, but it would require a level of planning and finance and technology that the Arabs don&#039;t have yet, but may one day.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Further, I disagree that Arab-Jewish relations can ever return to the way they were. Unlike the fate of Christian Arabs after the Crusades, when things pretty much returnded to normal (for better or worse), Jewish/Israeli crimes were/are far worse and far better known (due to modern technology and media) than those of the Crusaders, so that anti-Jewish sentiments woud be harder to forget.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Further, Arab Jews have fully integrated themselves in Israel and are today often some of the most viciously anti-Arab of Israeli Jews, while Arab Christians 800 years ago did no such thing vis-a-vis the Frankish invaders. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suggest that given the inherently racist nature of Zionism, and the lack of incentive/pressure for Zionists/Israelis to change, any of the &quot;peaceful&quot; solutions you offered are untenable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>qunfuz,</p>
<p>I disagree with &#8220;the second problem&#8221; to the first solution. Israel&#8217;s military superiority cannot last, nor are nuclear weapons a guarantee of security. There are ways to suppress Israel&#8217;s nuclear response, but it would require a level of planning and finance and technology that the Arabs don&#8217;t have yet, but may one day.</p>
<p>Further, I disagree that Arab-Jewish relations can ever return to the way they were. Unlike the fate of Christian Arabs after the Crusades, when things pretty much returnded to normal (for better or worse), Jewish/Israeli crimes were/are far worse and far better known (due to modern technology and media) than those of the Crusaders, so that anti-Jewish sentiments woud be harder to forget.</p>
<p>Further, Arab Jews have fully integrated themselves in Israel and are today often some of the most viciously anti-Arab of Israeli Jews, while Arab Christians 800 years ago did no such thing vis-a-vis the Frankish invaders. </p>
<p>I suggest that given the inherently racist nature of Zionism, and the lack of incentive/pressure for Zionists/Israelis to change, any of the &#8220;peaceful&#8221; solutions you offered are untenable.</p>
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